In this podcast interview, Khan Academy founder Sal Khan discusses his forthcoming book 'Job Shock' and his growing concern that AI-driven automation will dislocate entire categories of workers—call center staff, drivers, and even software engineers, designers, and product managers—over the next three to five years. He argues that safe jobs are those that lean into human connection (teaching, nursing, hospitality, sales), describes how Khan Academy is transforming internally with AI agents (running a ~$1.2M/year Anthropic bill), and unveils the Constellation Institute, a new accredited program offering a full degree for under $10,000 that emphasizes 'durable skills' like communication, collaboration, creativity, and critical thinking, co-designed with employers such as McKinsey, Bain, Google, Microsoft, Replit, and Accenture.
Muzzy Lane is a Massachusetts edtech company that builds tools for creating game-based learning simulations and roleplay assessments. Its flagship no-code Author platform lets instructional designers and publishers build immersive, decision-driven activities without programming, while its SkillBuild courses pair simulations with AI coaching to award durable-skills microcredentials. Founded in 2002 by MIT-trained engineer David McCool, the company has powered tens of millions of simulations and assessments for universities, publishers like McGraw Hill, and corporate training programs.
Patrick Cook-Deegan is the founder and CEO of Wayfinder, a K-12 curriculum company that teaches purpose, belonging, and durable skills to more than 1.5 million students across roughly 4,000 schools. A former All-American lacrosse player turned human-rights advocate in Burma, wilderness guide, and Stanford d.school fellow, he built Wayfinder out of five years teaching character development in an Oakland public high school. He named the company after the ancient Polynesian navigators who crossed oceans without instruments - his bet on how to redesign the American high school for the 21st century.
Wayfinder is a K-12 edtech company that builds a PreK-12 platform for purpose-driven learning, combining research-backed social-emotional and life-readiness curriculum, MTSS-ready resources, and real-time insights. Born out of Stanford's d.school K12 Innovation Lab, it helps students develop durable, future-ready skills like purpose, belonging, adaptability and collaboration, and is used across thousands of schools and districts.