
Intellum began with a business plan that ate the budget. Twenty-six years later, its co-founder is asking what happens when the learning business has to learn all over again.

Barry Kelly built Thought Industries around the gap between buying a product and learning to use it. After a decade as CEO, he is taking on another familiar gap: what a team says in a meeting and what anyone remembers afterward.

Before influencer marketing had a name, Holly Hamann helped build its machinery. Now the mathematician-turned-marketer is applying the same appetite for unsettled territory to AI, learning, and the stubborn question of whether training changes what people can actually do.

Her career has wandered through insurance, 3D printers, classrooms and SaaS. The useful pattern is not the scenery, but how carefully she listens at every stop.