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VGV shipped pre-alpha Flutter to Broadway in ~3 months Hamilton app: first large-scale commercial Flutter app outside Google Penn engineer + Wharton economist in one diploma Once did food innovation at Chobani ~160 people, one stubborn bet on a single codebase 2025: VGV acquires CreateThrive
Founder // Flutter's quiet kingmaker

David
DeRemer

He watched his own engineers reach for the same untested tool every single time. So he bet the company on it.

Founder & CEO, Very Good Ventures
Portrait of David DeRemer, founder and CEO of Very Good Ventures Built the app Google pointed to
Who he is now

David DeRemer runs Very Good Ventures, a roughly 160-person product and venture studio that enterprises call when they want a Flutter app they can actually trust.

The work is unglamorous in the way that matters. Testing. Reliability. Architecture that survives the second year. VGV is the team that turned a Google experiment into something a CIO will stake a roadmap on, and DeRemer is the one who decided, early and against the odds, that this was the bet worth making.

His current obsession is simple to say and hard to do: better software, and a better experience for the people who build it. "If we can make better software and create a better developer experience," he says, "it will be a big win for not only developers, but also companies and end users." That is the whole thesis. Everything VGV sells flows from it.

VGV's recent moves match the talk. In 2025 the studio acquired CreateThrive, a signal that Flutter has stopped being a startup curiosity and become an enterprise default. DeRemer keeps showing up where the community gathers too, from FlutterCon stages to a January 2025 Humpday AMA with the Flutter Community on YouTube.

What separates VGV from a thousand other app shops is a refusal to treat reliability as someone else's department. DeRemer talks about testing the way other founders talk about growth. The studio open-sources tooling, publishes its standards, and builds apps the way a structural engineer builds a bridge, assuming the thing has to hold under load nobody anticipated. For enterprises weighing whether to rewrite a decade of native code, that posture is the entire sales pitch.

~160
People at VGV
~3 mo
To build Hamilton
1st
Commercial Flutter app outside Google
~20 yr
In tech & design
I knew something was different about Flutter because our engineers would always pick it.
- David DeRemer, on the moment he committed
The bet

A Broadway musical, a pre-alpha framework, and a three-month clock

Hamilton wanted an app on iOS and Android. The math was brutal. "Based on their budget, timeline, and feature needs," DeRemer recalls, "we knew we could only deliver around half of what they wanted within the required time frame." Building twice, once for each platform, ate the whole budget before the interesting work began.

So VGV recommended Flutter, Google's toolkit for building from a single codebase. The catch: Flutter was pre-alpha. Untested at commercial scale. The kind of choice that gets a consultancy fired if it goes sideways.

They shipped it anyway, in roughly three months, working shoulder to shoulder with Google. The Hamilton app became the first large-scale commercial Flutter app built outside of Google, and Google returned the favor by citing it across announcements as living proof that Flutter was ready for production. One stubborn recommendation became the reference everyone else pointed to.

That pattern, spotting a tool before the market agrees it is safe, runs through DeRemer's whole resume. He has done it with food, with mobile agencies, and now with an entire framework. The Hamilton gamble worked because the alternative was worse: ship half an app, on time, or ship the whole thing on a framework that might not survive contact with production. He chose the whole thing, and the framework survived.

It is worth sitting with how unusual that call was. Consultancies are paid to be conservative. The safe recommendation is always the boring one, the proven one, the choice nobody gets fired for. DeRemer made the opposite call and then took on the work of making it true, three months of close collaboration with Google to turn a bet into a shipped, public, named product. The reward was not just a happy client. It was a reputation that would define the next chapter of the company.

The constraintTwo platforms, half the budget, no time to build twice.
The riskRecommending software that was still pre-alpha.
The payoffGoogle cited Hamilton as proof Flutter shipped at scale.
The long way around

Consulting, then yogurt, then code

DeRemer earned dual degrees from Penn's Jerome Fisher Program: an engineering BAS and a Wharton BSE, the rare diploma that trains you to ship and to count. What he did with it is the surprising part.

2006 - 2011
Associate Strategy Director at frog design, on strategic innovation projects.
2012 - 2013
Advanced Concepts Manager at Chobani, bringing new food products to market.
2013 - 2018
Founding Partner at Posse, a mobile agency.
2017
Founds Very Good Ventures, a product and venture studio.
2018
VGV ships the Hamilton app on pre-alpha Flutter.
2025
VGV acquires CreateThrive, leaning into enterprise Flutter.

Before software ate his calendar, he was an innovation manager at a yogurt company, the sort of detour that teaches you a product is only as good as the experience around it. That instinct, design and engineering as one job rather than two, is exactly what VGV sells.

How he operates

Adaptable is not a slogan, it is the strategy

Ask DeRemer for founding advice and he does not reach for vision or grit. He reaches for adaptability. "Being open to new opportunities," he says, "even if they don't fit your views or expectations, can make all the difference." Coming from someone who moved from consulting to yogurt to mobile to an entire framework, it reads less like a platitude and more like a confession of method.

The Flutter decision is the cleanest example. DeRemer did not arrive at it through a strategy deck. He arrived at it by watching. When his engineers were handed a choice between Flutter and building natively, they kept choosing Flutter, unprompted, again and again. He treated that as data. Most leaders would have demanded a business case; he trusted the people closest to the keyboard and let their preference become the company's direction.

Culture gets the same hands-off-but-deliberate treatment. There is no culture committee at VGV, no manufactured ritual. "We have always focused on nurturing our team," he says, "and that has helped us build a strong culture." It is the management philosophy of someone who believes good people, given good tools and genuine care, do not need to be choreographed.

The thread running through all of it is a conviction that the experience of building software is not separate from the quality of the software itself. Improve the developer experience, DeRemer argues, and you improve the product, the company, and the person who ends up using it. That is why VGV pours effort into testing, architecture, and open tooling that competitors might treat as overhead. To DeRemer it is the point.

It is also a worldview shaped by where he has been. A frog design strategist learns that the artifact and the experience are inseparable. A Chobani innovation manager learns that a great product still fails if the experience around it is wrong. A Penn engineer who also studied at Wharton learns to hold craft and economics in the same hand. VGV is what happens when all three lessons land on the same person.

In his words

DeRemer, unedited

Flutter helps companies succeed - and we use our expertise to help any company succeed with Flutter. It's that simple.On the mission
The most important thing I would say is to be adaptable. Being open to new opportunities - even if they don't fit your views or expectations - can make all the difference.On founding
We don't have anything overly formal like a culture committee, but we have always focused on nurturing our team.On culture
Flutter was the first approach that really delivered everything we needed.On the choice
The most valuable part of having an investor is working with someone who is able to provide advice and mentorship.On investors
If we can make better software and create a better developer experience, it will be a big win for not only developers, but also companies and end users.On the future
The dent

What gets built when the framework grows up

There is a version of this story where Flutter stayed a clever Google demo and VGV stayed a boutique that did clever Google demos. That is not what happened. The studio's fingerprints are on the moments where Flutter graduated in public: the Google I/O photo booth app, a multiplatform New York Times KenKen game, and the Hamilton app that started it all. Each one was a small argument, made in working code, that this framework could carry real weight.

DeRemer's role was rarely to write the headline. It was to be the person willing to recommend the risky thing first, to put a studio's reputation behind a tool the rest of the market was still circling warily. By the time most companies decided Flutter was safe, VGV had already shipped the evidence that made it safe. The 2025 acquisition of CreateThrive is the bookend to that arc: proof that enterprise adoption is no longer a question of if but of how fast.

For a developer audience, the lesson is unusually concrete. Watch what your engineers reach for when nobody is grading them. Treat reliability as a feature, not a chore. Stay adaptable enough to change your mind when the evidence does. DeRemer did all three, quietly, for the better part of a decade, and ended up running one of the most consequential studios in a corner of software that did not exist when he started.

Off the record

Things that don't fit the org chart

Yogurt to codeHis pre-software job was food innovation at Chobani.
Two brains, one degreePenn's Jerome Fisher program: engineering plus Wharton.
Showpiece habitVGV built the Google I/O photo booth app and a multiplatform NYT KenKen game.
Title shuffleDifferent bios call him both President and CEO of VGV.
Engineer's tellHis Flutter conviction came from watching, not from a spec sheet.
Watch him liveHe hosted a 2025 Humpday AMA with the Flutter Community.
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